‘New beginning’ (3)
CAIRO, EGYPT — Seeking to unite Muslims from Indonesia to Morocco to Detroit around common goals of peace and dreams of a brighter future, President Obama Thursday called for a new beginning for the United States and Islamic world.
“We have a responsibility to join together on behalf of the world we seek a world where extremists no longer threaten our people, and American troops have come home; a world where Israelis and Palestinians are each secure in a state of their own, and nuclear energy is used for peaceful purposes; a world where governments serve their citizens, and the rights of all Gods children are respected,” he said to an audience of about 3,500 at Cairo University.
“Those are mutual interests. That is the world we seek. But we can only achieve it together.”
Mr. Obama pushed for Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons program and said both Israelis and Palestinians must work together for peace.
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Notes:
I’ve added Obama’s full Cairo speech to the sidebar video area because it’s interesting. When the first part ends the next part will be available. I’ve also added the link to my “Links” area so that it doesn’t get lost.
I’ll leave it up for a few days.
More Notes:
It took me a while to find the entire speech and get it up and it isn’t centered but I try (it’s a video problem failing to merge with the template and I can’t fix it from here).
People should listen to it. There’s some bullshit but there is also a lot of truth.
It’s the first time I’ve heard it all and it’s well worth the time spent on it.
Updates:
7:13 pm EDT, June 4th, 2009 — Obama draws questions, praise from Muslims
Popularity: 19% [?]
Male, retired and the rest is of little interest to anyone. The site keeps me busy and if it helps others to stay abreast of daily events then my time is well spent.
ward Says:
Why is Obama giving a speech focussing on a specific religion? Is he going to address other religions in the same manner?
Posted on June 4th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Cynapse Says:
The US puts its nose up one nation’s ass 95% of the time. Obama is simply placating the other 280 million people in the region before nuclear war breaks out.
Posted on June 4th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
ward Says:
Ahhh yes, placating muslims Cynapse, seems to work every time non?. That will most certainly quell the desire to destroy Israel.
Obama was born and educated a Muslim. He says he is a Christian. According to the Koran, the penalty for apostasy is death. Muslims should be putting a Fatwa on Obamas head, but they are not.
Could it be that Mr. Obama, is really not a Christian? Islam allows its adherents to partake as an infidel and lie to infidels if the goal of doing so is to defeat the infidel.
It is the principle of Al-Takeyya.
Also according to the Koran you can negotiate a peace treaty with no intention of honoring it. Its called a Hudna.
(Combine those two things and I’d say that one should be very suspicious of what a radical islamist says versus what he intends to do.)
He most certainly seems to be ebarking on an apology tour of Muslim nations and taking steps to hobble the US economy.
Perhaps he could have spoken of the many times that the US has spent blood and treasure saving Muslim asses around the world.
What a disaster this fool is.
Posted on June 5th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Cynapse Says:
Oh gosh, you’re one of those? Barack’s got the good ol boys running scared.
Yes, Obama the secret Kenyan communist Muslim, sent to destroy the USA and an entire city of trained lawyers / CIA / etc completely missed it. That sort of talk should never have left Stormfront.org and Free Republic, yet supposedly thinking people keep echoing this conspiracy theory.
One thing you’ll have to admit – pumping billions into Israel and giving them a free pass to do whatever they want (to keep the evangelical vote) has produced very little. Maybe it is time to try something else.
Also, if you’re claiming that Obama is not a Christian (and apparently he fooled quite a few people in which case) does that nullify your previous attacks on Jeremiah Wright? Because the two can’t be connected. See, you have to stick with one line of smearing, Ward…
Posted on June 5th, 2009 at 12:52 am
Cynapse Says:
Perhaps he could have spoken of the many times that the US has spent blood and treasure saving Muslim asses around the world.
Bosnia was about repelling Soviet advances, not protecting Muslims.
Somalia was garbled horribly (and even worse by the Canadians)
Iraq 1.0 was about stopping Hussein’s advance toward the Saudi’s oil supply
Iraq 2.0 was also about oil, as well as putting bases next Iran
Afghanistan was revenge for 9/11 and also an apparent attempt to catch Bin Laden
The USA doesn’t go to war to save people for the mere sake of doing so
Posted on June 5th, 2009 at 1:07 am
LG Says:
Cynapse, let us not forget that the Kuwaitis were slant drilling Iraqi oil, which is what triggered Iraq 1.0.
We should also not forget how horribly Palestinians are treated… in places like Saudi Arabia!
As always, follow the money.
Posted on June 5th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Cynapse Says:
LG you’re helping me. The US keeps the Saudi Royal family in power and Dubai in business…
Posted on June 5th, 2009 at 9:24 am
John Luft Says:
Take a look at a map of the Middle East and see the size of Israel and compare it to the surrounding (mostly hostile) countries.
A little history….
In November 1947 United Nations decided on partition of Palestine into a Jewish state, an Arab state, and a UN-administered Jerusalem. Partition was accepted by Zionist leaders but rejected by Arab leaders leading to the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. Israel declared independence on May 14, 1948 and neighboring Arab states attacked the next day. And the battle continues.
When you are surrounded by your enemies who have perpetually threatened to eliminate you, you tend to get somewhat defensive.
Hey Cynapse….maybe Egypt has some land for those peaceful Palestinians. Any land or assets that have been handed over to them have been ruined by the Palestinians themselves. Sort of like what happened when the Bolsheviks took over Russia. No wonder Cynapse supports the Palestinian side. Birds of a feather.
Posted on June 5th, 2009 at 10:47 am
ward Says:
I’m one of those??? Care to define “good old boy”?
You crack me up Cynapse. I’d like to say you are a Muslim apologist, but in reality you come across as nothing more than an anti American anti Semitic bigot.
Obama has taken the very dangerous step of elevating and validating the idea of a new Muslim caliphate. Hard to believe such a smart guy would not see that.
Given your views on Israel it is no wonder you view the survival and success of the state of Israel as “produced very little”
Is there a specific “attack” on Jeremiah Wright you are talking about, or are you just stereotyping me?
Also curious that you chose to ignore the concepts of Al-Takeyya and Hudna.
Posted on June 5th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Cynapse Says:
Sorry gentlemen, you’re going to have to try a better wind up than that. Being against Israel’s settlement policies does not make you anti-semitic – even a lot of Israelis don’t like them. One of my friends in the IDF likes to point out that these settlers are largely extremist Americans who accuse everyone -including most Israelis- of selling them out. They’re basically a cult.
Being against Republican holy war-mongering doesn’t make you anti-American – lots of Americans don’t care for it either. In typical extremist fashion, you’ve aligned your narrow geopolitical goals with large swaths of the population who are defined by birth/migration rather than ideology, which is of course exceedingly dishonest. You don’t speak for all Jews or all Americans, both groups having recently voted well to the left of your views.
And if you want to talk history, why don’t you talk about how Europe refused to give the Jews in their continent land in Europe. Those Jews were culturally European and knew Israel about as well as your average North American black knows Africa. Any long term ancestral ties are more figments of romance. Alas, Germany offered to ship their Jewish population to Madagascar rather than carve out a bit of their own land to make the separation. So you’ve dumped your “problem” on the middle east, didn’t give them their belongings back and now you consider yourselves good humans beings for helping them crush another group of people. Can you say “hypocrite”?
And your communist line is getting really tried. I have no problem with the market, but I’ll fight any of your social stratifications and hierarchies to the bitter end so get used to it. If only leftists care about social equality then I guess I’ll be fighting with them. Kind of a bad reflection on you guys, since many of you consider yourselves “libertarians” (hence supposedly devoid of collective identity)
Posted on June 5th, 2009 at 11:46 am
the other pete Says:
Ahhh comrade I see you hit the ground running, but in the wrong direction as usual.
Posted on July 7th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Cynapse Says:
Again, implying only leftists care about social equality? Not exactly self-flattering, but who can tell you what to do? On the other hand, who backed the apartheid government – the Commies or The Reagan/Thatcher “freedom” crew?
Historical record – a damnable thing. Also ignored, which is why it repeats one supposes.
Posted on July 7th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
nomdeblog Says:
Lefties don’t care about social equality; they are elitists that want to rule us serfs, their slaves … just look at the dustbin of history.
Societies are not equal, why do so many immigrants come here? …To get away from their dysfunctional societies which have not sufficiently evolved, usually because they are hijacked by totalitarians.
I’m talking about societies not being equal. Humans are indeed equal, at least in the sense that people deserve an equal opportunity. But the outcomes are not equal. That’s diversity, that’s what makes it interesting.
“The Reagan/Thatcher “freedom” crew? ”… backed Apartheid?????
Not true Cynapse and you know better than that.
In fact Mulroney ( not a lefty) got to Reagan and got him off the fence and that’s when Apartheid really started to implode when the full force of Washington got involved, thank goodness.
Posted on July 7th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Cynapse Says:
1) Left vs Right is entirely different from authoritarian vs libertarian ….
Libertarian + Leftist = Mahatma Gandhi
Libertarian + Rightist = Michael Badnarik (sorry, can’t find anyone more famous)
Authoritarian + Leftist = Joseph Stalin
Authoritarian + Rightist = Sarah Palin
2) Brian Mulroney was an outspoken opponent of Apartheid, true. But Margaret Thatcher resisted sanctions against South Africa, while Reagan asked the Israelis to supply the apartheid government with nuclear technology. Mulroney eventually got his way, but even after that there were close ties between the old Boer regime and the Reagan/Thatcher brigade.
3) Socialists may not in fact care about the average person but they’re SAYING they do and that’s enough in these uncertain times. Frankly, there is little record that socialism leads to universal prosperity in the long run, but the grossly unbalanced systems that have been passed off as “capitalism” over the past couple centuries have done far more damage (save for a few privileged classes). That is your uphill battle, and frankly your best response it to point out that was Reagan/Thatcher/Harris/etc was doing was not in fact real capitalism – it was plutocratic corporatism.
Posted on July 7th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
nomdeblog Says:
“Socialists may not in fact care about the average person but they’re SAYING they do and that’s enough”
maybe for you NOT for me.
Yes Corporatism needs to be fought. It can be as destructive as elitists like Obama and Trudeau, in fact they go hand in glove. Yes, conservatives can fall into that trap too and we need to hound them on it, vote them out, whatever. That stuff isn’t about ideology it is about disclosure of the conflicts of interest ( which the press is incompetent to do these days) and common sense.
I’ve been to South Africa. Listened to Blacks there describe what happened between Mulroney and Reagan and they are very grateful to both.
Reagan did not back Apartheid, he helped end it.
Posted on July 7th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Cynapse Says:
No, it isn’t enough for me either. But when faced with a proven problem vs a possible problem … it’s time to find new options. And here we are.
Posted on July 7th, 2009 at 1:54 pm