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		<title>By: Brian S</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I have stated earlier, I have worked for otherwise all Chinese and Muslim businesses, and have lived amongst, befriended, and had bosses and coworkers of all kinds. If you want to believe that I considered myself above them go ahead, but when it came my turn to take part in interviewing others for jobs, those who showed up in clown clothes or their pants around their ankles, speaking Ebonics or something, did not get hired regardless of their race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I have stated earlier, I have worked for otherwise all Chinese and Muslim businesses, and have lived amongst, befriended, and had bosses and coworkers of all kinds. If you want to believe that I considered myself above them go ahead, but when it came my turn to take part in interviewing others for jobs, those who showed up in clown clothes or their pants around their ankles, speaking Ebonics or something, did not get hired regardless of their race.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynapse</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynapse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Those waves of immigrants came in pretty fast. Do you really believe that it is a piece of cake with a cherry on top to be  a white kid in a high school of mostly blacks in a high density area of Toronto? If I lucked out at all it was only in being big enough to hold my own in a fight. Thinking back, it was really the Asian and south Asian kids who took the brunt of it.&lt;/em&gt;

Outside of school ... who will be working for whom?  Who will get the mortgage with the good rate?  Who will be seriously shown houses in a good neighbourhood or taken on tours of good apartment buildings instead of being told &quot;sorry, we&#039;re full&quot;?  Who will receive proper service in restaurants every time?

The brawn and aggression that serves those young black kids (and I assume you mean Jamaican, since the African students air complaints similar to yours) so well in the school-yard won&#039;t help them one bit when they face systemic racism ... which will start in earnest the first time they visit the school career counselleor.

The Asians and South Asians are forming a  pseudo-majority in Toronto.  Their future is bright.  It makes more sense to learn Mandarin than French in this city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Those waves of immigrants came in pretty fast. Do you really believe that it is a piece of cake with a cherry on top to be  a white kid in a high school of mostly blacks in a high density area of Toronto? If I lucked out at all it was only in being big enough to hold my own in a fight. Thinking back, it was really the Asian and south Asian kids who took the brunt of it.</em></p>
<p>Outside of school &#8230; who will be working for whom?  Who will get the mortgage with the good rate?  Who will be seriously shown houses in a good neighbourhood or taken on tours of good apartment buildings instead of being told &#8220;sorry, we&#8217;re full&#8221;?  Who will receive proper service in restaurants every time?</p>
<p>The brawn and aggression that serves those young black kids (and I assume you mean Jamaican, since the African students air complaints similar to yours) so well in the school-yard won&#8217;t help them one bit when they face systemic racism &#8230; which will start in earnest the first time they visit the school career counselleor.</p>
<p>The Asians and South Asians are forming a  pseudo-majority in Toronto.  Their future is bright.  It makes more sense to learn Mandarin than French in this city.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you really believe that we conservatives want to abandon the poor on an ice flow UV? What I want is more opportunities for poor people, but that will never come in a province whose only real plan, the same one they always use for every social problem, is to hire more of their liberal friends into soft unionized positions?

What is so wrong about wanting to cut back immigration a little in hard times when there are few jobs to go around for those already here? Does that really make me a racist? If EI isn&#039;t working, how about instead of 52 weeks of handouts, 26 weeks and the rest in a lump some for those who want to try running their own small businesses? Does that really make me an evil capitalist? My problem with liberals is that they are almost always berift of ideas, and are always too politically reluctant to change much of anything once in power? The province is going downhill so do we really need more of the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you really believe that we conservatives want to abandon the poor on an ice flow UV? What I want is more opportunities for poor people, but that will never come in a province whose only real plan, the same one they always use for every social problem, is to hire more of their liberal friends into soft unionized positions?</p>
<p>What is so wrong about wanting to cut back immigration a little in hard times when there are few jobs to go around for those already here? Does that really make me a racist? If EI isn&#8217;t working, how about instead of 52 weeks of handouts, 26 weeks and the rest in a lump some for those who want to try running their own small businesses? Does that really make me an evil capitalist? My problem with liberals is that they are almost always berift of ideas, and are always too politically reluctant to change much of anything once in power? The province is going downhill so do we really need more of the same?</p>
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		<title>By: UV</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-601</link>
		<dc:creator>UV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - you may not have a silver spoon in your mouth but you do seem to be wearing dark coloured eye glasses that is negatively affecting your eye sight.  No offense but the world is not simply &#039;black &amp; white&#039;   Remember, poverty sucks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; you may not have a silver spoon in your mouth but you do seem to be wearing dark coloured eye glasses that is negatively affecting your eye sight.  No offense but the world is not simply &#8216;black &amp; white&#8217;   Remember, poverty sucks!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those waves of immigrants came in pretty fast. Do you really believe that it is a piece of cake with a cherry on top to be  a white kid in a high school of mostly blacks in a high density area of Toronto? If I lucked out at all it was only in being big enough to hold my own in a fight. Thinking back, it was really the Asian and south Asian kids who took the brunt of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those waves of immigrants came in pretty fast. Do you really believe that it is a piece of cake with a cherry on top to be  a white kid in a high school of mostly blacks in a high density area of Toronto? If I lucked out at all it was only in being big enough to hold my own in a fight. Thinking back, it was really the Asian and south Asian kids who took the brunt of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynapse</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynapse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to realize that you do have that &lt;strong&gt;social&lt;/strong&gt; advantage.  This has nothing to do with economics, and I wouldn&#039;t imply that it did.  My town was surrounded by 5 trailer parks, and the drama related to not having money / being fashionable played itself out every week on our high school grounds (we all had to go to the same school)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to realize that you do have that <strong>social</strong> advantage.  This has nothing to do with economics, and I wouldn&#8217;t imply that it did.  My town was surrounded by 5 trailer parks, and the drama related to not having money / being fashionable played itself out every week on our high school grounds (we all had to go to the same school)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I do get tired of having you constantly insinuate that I have a silver spoon in my mouth because I am white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I do get tired of having you constantly insinuate that I have a silver spoon in my mouth because I am white.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynapse</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-597</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynapse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think is you have tunnel vision on this topic and we&#039;ll never reach an agreement. I&#039;m not going to back some hang-em-high party or ideology with a dubious past for reasons you will never have to contemplate.  End of story.  I don&#039;t know about you and probably never will via the internet. 

I&#039;m not about to spill my life story but it certainly hasn&#039;t been a smooth road and right now I&#039;m putting my own aspirations on hold to put someone &lt;em&gt;else&lt;/em&gt; through school.  It&#039;s the only way we&#039;ll get by in this economy.  From what I can tell mine will be the first generation in quite a while to have less than the previous one, as my friends who do have the flashy things are doing so at tremendous future cost (interest) and the more frugal like myself are living in poorly maintained apartment buildings alongside subsidized bums and ex convicts.  Not exactly the cushy existence we were hyped up about in University.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think is you have tunnel vision on this topic and we&#8217;ll never reach an agreement. I&#8217;m not going to back some hang-em-high party or ideology with a dubious past for reasons you will never have to contemplate.  End of story.  I don&#8217;t know about you and probably never will via the internet. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not about to spill my life story but it certainly hasn&#8217;t been a smooth road and right now I&#8217;m putting my own aspirations on hold to put someone <em>else</em> through school.  It&#8217;s the only way we&#8217;ll get by in this economy.  From what I can tell mine will be the first generation in quite a while to have less than the previous one, as my friends who do have the flashy things are doing so at tremendous future cost (interest) and the more frugal like myself are living in poorly maintained apartment buildings alongside subsidized bums and ex convicts.  Not exactly the cushy existence we were hyped up about in University.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-596</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You still have no idea what you are talking about Cynapse. Do you really believe that &quot;the war against poverty&quot; has anything to do with helping the poor? What do you know about me? Since when is my hierarchy of needs being well met by big nanny Ontario? I grew up poor living in what amounted to a tar-paper shack in a high density area of Toronto. Put myself through technical college twice, worked hard enough to warrant receiving a further education paid for by the likes of IBM, Microsoft, Banyan, Sun, SCO, Novell etc., that I would have otherwise not been able to afford in four lifetimes, continued on working hard enough to pay loads of taxes, and then with more than a little help from our negligent &quot;healthcare&quot; system, blew the back of my heart out(dissected aorta). I have been collecting my $10,000 per year CPP disability for a couple of years now while both recovering and awaiting an operation from which I will have only a small chance of surviving, and at the age of 47 I am still somewhat poor with very few options.

Do you really believe that my first thought was or should have been, I don&#039;t need to sell the house, Cynapse has a job so he should pay for it? Of course, if I had never worked and saved my money, and had instead sat around drinking away my welfare money, I would be eligible to collect a more lucrative Ontario disability. Not much of a safety net for my kind though when it comes down to it. Still fighting with the province for help with my prescriptions. CPP helps, but I did pay into it and am not expected to reach old age so as to be able to collect it then. For all the taxes I have paid, I am now eligible for the help of a &quot;liberal with a union job&quot;. Well, more like the empathy of a &quot;liberal with a union job&quot; really, since they aren&#039;t very helpful even when not on one of their day long coffee breaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You still have no idea what you are talking about Cynapse. Do you really believe that &#8220;the war against poverty&#8221; has anything to do with helping the poor? What do you know about me? Since when is my hierarchy of needs being well met by big nanny Ontario? I grew up poor living in what amounted to a tar-paper shack in a high density area of Toronto. Put myself through technical college twice, worked hard enough to warrant receiving a further education paid for by the likes of IBM, Microsoft, Banyan, Sun, SCO, Novell etc., that I would have otherwise not been able to afford in four lifetimes, continued on working hard enough to pay loads of taxes, and then with more than a little help from our negligent &#8220;healthcare&#8221; system, blew the back of my heart out(dissected aorta). I have been collecting my $10,000 per year CPP disability for a couple of years now while both recovering and awaiting an operation from which I will have only a small chance of surviving, and at the age of 47 I am still somewhat poor with very few options.</p>
<p>Do you really believe that my first thought was or should have been, I don&#8217;t need to sell the house, Cynapse has a job so he should pay for it? Of course, if I had never worked and saved my money, and had instead sat around drinking away my welfare money, I would be eligible to collect a more lucrative Ontario disability. Not much of a safety net for my kind though when it comes down to it. Still fighting with the province for help with my prescriptions. CPP helps, but I did pay into it and am not expected to reach old age so as to be able to collect it then. For all the taxes I have paid, I am now eligible for the help of a &#8220;liberal with a union job&#8221;. Well, more like the empathy of a &#8220;liberal with a union job&#8221; really, since they aren&#8217;t very helpful even when not on one of their day long coffee breaks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynapse</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynapse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The links stopped your post from being approved automatically.

As for seeing it my way, you just have to imagine yourself minus that family tragedy, black and in a rural area during the 1970&#039;s / 1980&#039;s.  Reform party membership is no longer a single-issue decision, is it?  No, you&#039;ve got to watch your back because the problem isn&#039;t riding down from the ivory tower with some far-fetched scheme.  The problem is next door or down the street.  People who are able to worry about things like government redistribution can do so because they have no potent predators nearby.  Most of the world does not have that luxury.  North Americans of northern european origin have only been able to enjoy such dominance for less than 100 years.  My point is your speaking from a frame of extreme social luxury when you are able to nitpick over whether the government lets a criminal out a couple years early or gives a welfare check to a single mother.  It suggest your hierarchy of needs is being well met.

My father is a former-gun-owner, taxpayer, supreme tax hater, decent job, pro-military (it&#039;s in the family tradition) mistrust of government type individual.  I don&#039;t think he voted Conservative once because depending on your demographic there are different considerations.

Probably we will never come to a full convergence because I really can&#039;t imagine what it would be like to Brian S or vice-versa.  This is not to say you don&#039;t have a point with the crime - many of us just don&#039;t have the luxury of voting in &lt;strong&gt;any &lt;/strong&gt;group of yahoos that claim they can fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The links stopped your post from being approved automatically.</p>
<p>As for seeing it my way, you just have to imagine yourself minus that family tragedy, black and in a rural area during the 1970&#8242;s / 1980&#8242;s.  Reform party membership is no longer a single-issue decision, is it?  No, you&#8217;ve got to watch your back because the problem isn&#8217;t riding down from the ivory tower with some far-fetched scheme.  The problem is next door or down the street.  People who are able to worry about things like government redistribution can do so because they have no potent predators nearby.  Most of the world does not have that luxury.  North Americans of northern european origin have only been able to enjoy such dominance for less than 100 years.  My point is your speaking from a frame of extreme social luxury when you are able to nitpick over whether the government lets a criminal out a couple years early or gives a welfare check to a single mother.  It suggest your hierarchy of needs is being well met.</p>
<p>My father is a former-gun-owner, taxpayer, supreme tax hater, decent job, pro-military (it&#8217;s in the family tradition) mistrust of government type individual.  I don&#8217;t think he voted Conservative once because depending on your demographic there are different considerations.</p>
<p>Probably we will never come to a full convergence because I really can&#8217;t imagine what it would be like to Brian S or vice-versa.  This is not to say you don&#8217;t have a point with the crime &#8211; many of us just don&#8217;t have the luxury of voting in <strong>any </strong>group of yahoos that claim they can fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian S</title>
		<link>http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/06/13/steyn-retreat-into-apathy/#comment-594</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a comment awaiting review here Jack. What happened to it? Was there something wrong with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a comment awaiting review here Jack. What happened to it? Was there something wrong with it?</p>
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