Every now and then something happens in the NEWS – more specifically in The Coverage of News – that let’s me know why so many of you have abandoned the old ways of paying attention to news…Abandoned watching the late evening news…Abandoned the Newspaper…Every now and then, it becomes so crystal clear why there is as much suspicion of the news business, as there is of the political business and the religious business, and business, especially big business. This week we have one such story. Nearly a month ago, I was hassled by friends, by acquaintances, and by emails as to why I didn’t take WAFERGATE seriously. I was told that if Michael Ignatieff had done such a thing like pocketing the Body of Christ, I would be crucifying Michael Ignatieff. Whooaaaaaaaah, I said! What do you base premise upon…A silly video without a time count…A silly edited video designed to further an agenda…
I am supposed to jump all over that ridiculous piece of thin gruel coming from anonymous sources, anonymous in every way except one…the goal was not anonymous, the goal was very out there, very non-secretive…the goal was to portray the Prime Minister as either a careless doofus or an insensitive lout. And my take was, I will play with it and toy with it as a political sideshow, kind of like the nonsense in the U.S. about how Obama isn’t really an American…he is really an alien…kind of like the nonsense that Michael Jackson is the greatest singer of all time, the greatest dancer of all time, the greatest civil rights leader , spiritual leader…these are media sideshows, and in the circus atmosphere that sometimes consumes this host…I am not a Christ Host, just a talk show host…in the circus atmosphere we work in, we sometimes deal with sideshows and we call them that…Their treats, snack food…Not high on protein or nutrients…Tasty sometimes, but not substantive.
Ha, I wonder if people hassling him about being arrogant …
Although Michael Jackson may be the greatest dancer of all time.
cynapse what are you trying to say??
You’d have to look in another thread to understand. For declaring this a non-issue and wondering why so many people have dedicated so much of their time to witch-hunting the writers, editors and janitor of the involved newspaper for nefarious Liberal links, I was called arrogant and chastised for not maintaining a 24 hour guard over the thread to answer angry partisans who wanted to take a swipe at me for not joining the mob.
Come on Cynapse you like a good fight, escalated the issue and even attempted a little race baiting while you were at it, don’t play victim now.
Most others took the stance that the propagandization of hard news to try to harm a sitting PM felt it is a very serious issue.
Victim? No, I’m not that. I merely referred to how jt called me on for disagreeing about the scope and severity of this problem and I met him head on (not sure where you got this race baiting idea though). What were they expecting me to do – roll over and play Alan Colmes while they vent their righteous conservative rage? They’ve been watching too much FOX News. A good scrap is good for the blood, and this continent it doesn’t mean shedding blood so heck…
Plus, these same whiners spend all day finding new ways to slander Iggy and Obama, forcing the latter to produce a long-form birth certificate to prove he’s even American. Can’t get more petty and vindictive than that.
Kudos to Charles Adler! He’s right on the button. I can’t stomach CBC and CTV and actually have not watched a nightly news broadcast in probably 6 months or so.
Cynapse we watch Fox News because that’s the only place we can see and hear small c conservative viewpoints. I don’t want to get my news through a liberal filter anymore. We are fed up with the status quo.
Yes, I know you think you are better than us because you don’t watch Fox. But it’s a difference of opinion, and last time I checked, we were allowed to have differences of opinion.
You need to tone down your haughtiness a bit. It’s getting very tiresome.
And yeah, Cynapse, you come across as being very arrogant and uppity.
And no one whines better than you do.
Soccermom, this is getting a bit playground-ish. “You think you’re better than us”?. “Haughty”? Sorry, but if you can’t handle forceful dissent then you’re simply on the wrong medium.
BTW if Fox is the #1 rated news station in the US is it not therefore both MSM and status quo? You’re far from an underdog and should probably stop trying to cast yourself as such. Changing the slant of the filter will leave you no better informed.
And yeah, Cynapse, you come across as being very arrogant and uppity
See that, Ward?
It wasn’t a fishing expedition after all.
Soccermom is going to tell this boy where his place is. Or so she’d like to think.
HRC’s aren’t much my style – if you want to throw dirt then get ready to catch some.
And no one whines better than you do.
If I ever call for an inquisition into the entire FOX news channel with their voting records and political ties PLUS think of something else do to, you will be right. Until that day, you’re lying through your teeth and have provided ample evidence of such over the past 12 hours. Sorry, but any real news will contain information you don’t want to hear.
If only Liberals had courage instead of just MOUTH.Makes you want to throw up every time some Liberal opens his mouth.They just wont admit they are wrong on every issue they get involved in.Killers should go free and impound the guns.Let the weeds grow and get an allergy shot.Don’t kill the baby seals and let the fishermen starve.Raise welfare rates so more people will vote Liberal all their lives.Say anything and deny everything.Lie and lie about the lying.They live in a fantasy world and need a long long period out of power (like 25 years or more) just to let the stink of this cesspool party die away.
We don’t have a Fox News Canada, Cynapse. CBC and CTV don’t cut it for me. Sure they’re number 1 in the U.S. bit we have nothing here. The liberal news filter here is sickening.
“Any real news will contain information you don’t want to hear”. Works both ways, that.
My problem with you, Cynapse, is that even if there is a bit of an agreement you still have to get a smart-ass shot in. If this is a “playground” you’re coming across as the prick of the playground.
You are race baiting again Cynapse. You carried the other thread over here not Soccermom, and uppity was poisonous terminology that you introduced, as is boy. No beer for you.
I want beer, damn you.
I did carry the thread over and predictably she followed.
“Uppity” – she agreed to it. Nothing in the dictionary that implies context so that’ll be a big grey area for now.
As for a Canadian Fox … CanWest is tanking and they’re noticeably to the right of most stations. Our market probably isn’t big enough to sustain an overtly partisan national news network. Most Canadians don’t care two damns about politics either way – we vote bad politicians out rather than good ones in. Harper is basically safe until he screws up, at which time whoever is king in the Liberal party will become PM. His greatest virtue will be having been leader at the right time.
Cynapse – I still cant believe that the lieberal party would try and bribe an expatriot like Iggy to return and be their party leader (annointed) when there were at least two excellent candidates a) John Manley, former Deputy PM and b) Frank McKenna, a popular former NB Premier.
Consequently, its Harper’s to lose.
Keep on playing in the ‘playground’ Cynapse, keeps the Neocons on their toes.
McKenna and Manley could not carry on a debate in French. The Liberal party is still heavily Québec based, as is Canadian Federal poltics to a far too large degree … 75 seats out of 308 guaranteed even if Quebec shrinks demographically.. which it is doing, relative to the ROC.
Those 2 guys are at the end of their careers and had little net worth to show for it. They needed real jobs, they are too honest to get paid in golf course flips from their buddies.
More importantly they flunk the Liberal litmus test, they aren’t elitists, they actually respect the middle class and our ability to look after ourselves. In other words they’re conservative, that’s why we think they would have been a great choice. And that’s why it didn’t happen.
“Our market probably isn’t big enough to sustain an overtly partisan national news network. ”
Well, we have the CBC, don’t we?
Canwest may be tanking, but I haven’t seen anything conservative on there in a long time. small c that is.
Neocon, neoconservative
noun
definition: moderate political conservatism espoused or advocated by former liberals or socialists.
- Well I have never been a liberal or a socialist, so I guess that’s not me.
“ I merely referred to how jt called me on for disagreeing about the scope and severity of this problem ”
Like I posted last night, you can sure spread it pal.
I and some others called you out on this statement, Cynapse, which you used to bait anyone who thought different from you, before I even posted: “Oh please, that’s not an apology, Ward. That’s offering up a sacrifice to Harper’s blood-thirsty and indignant fanboys.” Care to qualify what you meant there, Cynapse? That is “disagreeing”? More like ad hominem. You were looking for a fight and you got one.
That comment sounds to me like what I posted about: anti-harper, anti-conservative and you apparently could care less on how that POV is put across. Even using somone else’s funeral to do so. We don’t agree. I just call ‘em as I see ‘em, sport. I’d lump you in with the crowd who did spike the story on Wafergate. Beneath our contempt.
Been away Cynapse so I’ll reply to your reply. You know exactly what you are saying when you throw “uppity” around, and I’ve seen you do it over the years a couple of other times, and you well know that is what I was referring to as race baiting.
I see Brian caught you doing it further with the “boy” comment.
We can debate all day, but when you introduce those kinds of tactics it says to me you have really run out of reason.
I don’t think anyone here really cares what color you are, they do care though that you seem to be looking through the wrong end of the telescope on most issues and want to call you on those points.
“I did carry the thread over and predictably she followed.
“Uppity” – she agreed to it.”
“Uppity” to me, means acting arrogantly. You have a different definition, Cynapse? If you are implying there’s some racial thing in there from me then you are definitely out to lunch and reaching.
You see, I don’t think in terms of race, but obviously you do.
Ahem:
Main Entry: up·pi·ty
Pronunciation: \ˈə-pə-tē\
Function: adjective
Etymology: probably from up + -ity (as in persnickity, variant of persnickety)
Date: 1880
: putting on or marked by airs of superiority : arrogant, presumptuous <uppity technicians> <a small uppity country>
— up·pi·ti·ness also up·pi·ty·ness noun
Would you rather I called you persnickety, Cynapse? Or is it too difficult to apply a racial connotation to that word?
Of course you call it as you see it, jt – either I’m a storm-trooper in your army or I’m the enemy. Truthfully, it’s better to be on the unfavourable side of people who think about complex situations in such a linear fashion. Life really isn’t that simple and neither is this situation.
Anti-Harper? I voted for him twice and host 3 blogs that openly support him. Get your head out …
What shocks is how quickly the lot of you are roused by even a mild dose of inflammatory language, meanwhile posting volumes of it about anyone who you deem “liberal” (which encompasses most of the population) . The racial angle is admittedly laziness, though by constantly calling Obama “boy” and suggesting all manner of (blue collar) jobs that might be appropriate for him apart from president, you practically beg for it.
The bottom line is that you are every bit as guilty of the inflammatory and subversive language as you accuse your foes. Is every liberal out to bankrupt the nation, destroy Christianity and provide weapons to our enemies? About as much as every conservative is actually about screwing the poor and bombing places they can’t even pronounce or find on the map. You know this (hopefully), yet the inflammatory language persists.
Those in glass houses …
On a non-sarcastic note, it’s really unbecoming to bite the hand that feeds. Thanks to the Trudeau generation, the lot of you enjoyed some pretty posh social programs (CPP, Baby Bonus, EI, Welfare) that are now circling the toilet (just as they did in Brazil, Argentina, etc) and my generation has to pay for. You ALL lived as leftish liberals (happy to let the state assume the risk while you ran up record personal debts), which is obvious by the fact that your pension claw-backs and post-war benefit reductions even matter. If you were (fiscally) conservative it wouldn’t matter because of course you’d all have money saved up over the years. There was no reason not to, given detached homes could be purchased for less than triple the median nominal income.
Now that the nation is broke and the next generation of liberals aims to do what the last one did, it’s a sin. Especially with all those “greedy” refugees and young slackers who want to have the same level of lifestyle as their parents did.
Conservatives of convenience.
Too funny. You try to brand me a racist and I bite back a bit and now you accuse ME of overreacting when you take every chance to do the same. What, should I just sit back and ” take it like Colmes”, too?
OK so you voted for Harper why exactly? And where exactly do you belong now? Because anytime we call you a liberal you say you voted for Harper. But here you are criticizing and frothing at the mouth at us every chance you get. WE voted for Harper, too you know! So why the frickin animosity?
I don’t think you have a clue, bud.
YOU are the one ready to pounce and brand us rednecks and racists. Look in the mirror first before you start criticizing, buddy. That’s all you seem to do around here.
I think we’ve proven that beyond a doubt today.
Now you are backpedalling.
When I was a kid (during the so-called Trudeaupian years) I couldn’t vote, now did I? I saw handouts to people who would rather stay home and do nothing while my parents worked their butts off to provide for us, and yes we were poor. I saw relatives lose everything during Trudeau’s NEP when it raped and pillaged the West. I couldn’t vote until 1984 and I sure didn’t vote Liberal or NDP. So what exactly are you accusing me of? And when Reform came along, I voted for them because I saw we needed a change. Of course you’ll call me names for admitting that, won’t you.
Have a little more respect for someone who’s obviously lived a lot longer than you and had more life experiences than you, and maybe you’ll get some back. That’s all I ask.
I’m a conservative. Small c. Not a “Conservative of convenience”. What the hell are you, might I ask?
I gotta hanky for ya, Cynapse. It’s got CMAR embroidered on it.
Soccormom: Cynapse is just “trolling”, seeing if we’ll bite. Sorta like the CHRC (a Liberal invention), or why the “storm trooper” comment? He is sneaky that guy, just like a Liberal. He is trying to draw you out. Ignore him.
Cynapse defies standard definitions and while he might bait you, he’s not trolling…
Now pay attention all of you.
I am older than you guys, therefore i am wiser. Hell, im even older than Jack.
I went and re-read Jack’s posting just to make sure, and by dam, i was right. There is not one mention of race in that posting at all.
You folks really need to learn how to argue.
Let me give you an example of what i mean.
Jack says, “Lee, i saw you stealing tools out of my garage”
Of course i deny.
Jack persists, “Yep it was you alright, i remember it was a sunny day, and there was a slight southern breeze”.
Right there, Jack just lost.
Sure it was me stealing from Jack, But it was a north wind that day and it was cloudy and cool.
So we argue about the weather when the main issue ( my theft) has been lost.
Cynapse this paragraph really defies reality, and its very angry:
“On a non-sarcastic note, it’s really unbecoming to bite the hand that feeds. Thanks to the Trudeau generation, the lot of you enjoyed some pretty posh social programs (CPP, Baby Bonus, EI, Welfare) that are now circling the toilet (just as they did in Brazil, Argentina, etc) and my generation has to pay for. You ALL lived as leftish liberals (happy to let the state assume the risk while you ran up record personal debts), which is obvious by the fact that your pension claw-backs and post-war benefit reductions even matter. If you were (fiscally) conservative it wouldn’t matter because of course you’d all have money saved up over the years. There was no reason not to, given detached homes could be purchased for less than triple the median nominal income.”
It does not describe me at all, and I have my doubts that it accurately describes most others who comment here on a regular basis . I’m 45 and have been self employed for 20 years. I collected UI (thats back when it was called UI) , once for a very short period when I was 22. That it for my burden.
It’s my hard work, and others like me, that supports the disaster that is Trudeaupia. I expect nothing from anyone that I do not earn. And the only debt I have is my mortgage for my very modest affordable home.
So here you are condemning Trudeaupia and its legacy in Canada, and those who you percieve to suck on its teat at your expense on one hand, but defend Obamas Trudeaupianization (never used that one before!) of the USA, while defending virtually any attack on Harper and Candian conservatives.
You seem to be incredibly ideologically conflicted to the point that I don’t think you can say you have a coherent ideology, and it seems to stem from racial issues. You seem more interested in “winning” than being correct (or at least consistent)
I just wanna add one more thing to this sordid adventure: There is nothing, absolutely nothing, “convenient” about being conservative in this country.
Especially when you get labelled allsorts because of your beliefs. Heck, I’m afraid to put a Conservative bumper sticker on my car or a lawn sign up when there is an election because of the nutjobs who would attack.
It would be much more convenient to be a socialist or a liberal. Much easier, too.
Yeah, but….”Cynapse defies standard definitions and while he might bait you, he’s not trolling…”
Sort of like the Liberals taking their “liberties” with the truth and appolgizing through the Telegraph Journal on “Wafergate”: “we’ll appologize, but not necessarily, appologize”. But then we”ll slag you for raising any fuss with how we take our liberties.
I call ‘em like I see ‘em: Liberal troll.
H/T Blue Like You: read the article in the SUN by Michael Harris.
Is there some way I can put links on this blog, w/o the spam thingy?
No wonder many Canadians no longer vote as they feel the political parties are ‘all the same’ in that they make promises before the election and fail to carry out many of them when in power. MP’s & MPP’s are merely voting blocks, there for the use of their leaders and party whips. One has to admire the Quebec Nation as they know exactly what they want and who will pay for it.
Something has to change.