Comments on: Harlem Store Owner Shoots 4 Robbers, Killing 2 (1) http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/ Jack's Newswatch - You can fool some of the bears all of the time, and all of the bears some of the time, but you can not fool all of the bears all of the time — Jack's Newswatch Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:13:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mac http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3216 Mac Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:32:29 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3216 The notorious "scope bite" makes for a lovely scar... The only time I got bit was in Depot on the day of final qualification and it wasn't a solid bite, just a nip... Up until then, I'd always shot Crown with the rifle but it threw my concentration so I only shot Cross. The shotgun tactical shoot is fun but the bruise from the folding stock sucks. In recent years when they talked about going to a padded composite-stocked shotgun, I cheered! The notorious “scope bite” makes for a lovely scar… The only time I got bit was in Depot on the day of final qualification and it wasn’t a solid bite, just a nip… Up until then, I’d always shot Crown with the rifle but it threw my concentration so I only shot Cross.

The shotgun tactical shoot is fun but the bruise from the folding stock sucks. In recent years when they talked about going to a padded composite-stocked shotgun, I cheered!

]]> By: Bruce http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3215 Bruce Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:06:27 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3215 Mac...somewhat funny story, speaking of firearms instructors.  One year in Calgary they decided that for the annual shoot aka qualification process, they would have us fire shotguns in addition to revolvers & rifles. Did the revolver...check.  Did the rifle, 50 rounds...check.  By this time my shoulder is aching, and to add to the `punishment`I made the mistake of grabbing the barrel of the rifle, which had just had 50 rounds through it on a blistering hot day....burned the crap out of my hand.  At least I did not have the experience of a number of the participants who went away with half-circle cuts near their eyes because they placed their faces too close to the rifle`s scope  LOL. Then, shotguns....if I recall correctly it  was 25 rounds.  When I went home I stripped down and discovered a purple bruise the size of a bloody dinner plate on my shoulder...geez that hurt, but the training experience was well worth it... Mac…somewhat funny story, speaking of firearms instructors.  One year in Calgary they decided that for the annual shoot aka qualification process, they would have us fire shotguns in addition to revolvers & rifles.

Did the revolver…check.  Did the rifle, 50 rounds…check.  By this time my shoulder is aching, and to add to the `punishment`I made the mistake of grabbing the barrel of the rifle, which had just had 50 rounds through it on a blistering hot day….burned the crap out of my hand.  At least I did not have the experience of a number of the participants who went away with half-circle cuts near their eyes because they placed their faces too close to the rifle`s scope  LOL.

Then, shotguns….if I recall correctly it  was 25 rounds.  When I went home I stripped down and discovered a purple bruise the size of a bloody dinner plate on my shoulder…geez that hurt, but the training experience was well worth it…

]]> By: Cynapse http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3214 Cynapse Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:26:44 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3214 Good. I'll need you for roll call next time someone claims there aren't.  Stick around. Good. I’ll need you for roll call next time someone claims there aren’t.  Stick around.

]]> By: E.J. http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3213 E.J. Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:04:13 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3213 Man, you guys make my heart flutter. I am going to  go and caress my 40 year old Winchester model 12.  It  certainly is a showstopper. Yes, Cynapse, there are still some of us  "good old boys" around. Man, you guys make my heart flutter. I am going to  go and caress my 40 year old Winchester model 12.  It  certainly is a showstopper. Yes, Cynapse, there are still some of us  “good old boys” around.

]]> By: Capt. Craig http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3212 Capt. Craig Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:21:39 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3212 Slug up the pipe followed by 00 buck, slug, buck, slug, buck! Magnum of course. No ching chang, just the low click of the safety coming off on the Remington 1100. Slug up the pipe followed by 00 buck, slug, buck, slug, buck! Magnum of course. No ching chang, just the low click of the safety coming off on the Remington 1100.

]]> By: Pat http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3211 Pat Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:33:30 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3211 Ah yes Grass Hopper, now you learn Ching chang style of sefl-defence. Place feet approximately hip width apart, on 45 degrees to point of interest, lower abdomen, invigorate the hairline and draw strength through your hips. Place left hand forward, grasp forestock, pull action to the rear and then forward as you shoulder the piece. The sound will be ching-chang and all will be well in the kingdon. Folding stocks don't cut it and #5-6 is a great load. No over penetration and lots of nasty little balls flying around. If you need penetration, use a slug. Not that I ever have an opinion. '97 Winchesters Rule Ah yes Grass Hopper, now you learn Ching chang style of sefl-defence. Place feet approximately hip width apart, on 45 degrees to point of interest, lower abdomen, invigorate the hairline and draw strength through your hips.

Place left hand forward, grasp forestock, pull action to the rear and then forward as you shoulder the piece. The sound will be ching-chang and all will be well in the kingdon.

Folding stocks don’t cut it and #5-6 is a great load. No over penetration and lots of nasty little balls flying around. If you need penetration, use a slug. Not that I ever have an opinion.

’97 Winchesters Rule

]]> By: Mac http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3210 Mac Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:03:03 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3210 I know that sound well, Bruce. I brought the shotgun with me on every shift on patrol. The folding stock on the Remington Wingmaster has no recoil pad so it wasn't fun to fire. I still remember our firearms instructor telling us how 00 Buck had 8 pellets and each was almost as large as a bullet. Those who get nervous at the sound of a round being pumped into the chamber are right to do so... I know that sound well, Bruce. I brought the shotgun with me on every shift on patrol.

The folding stock on the Remington Wingmaster has no recoil pad so it wasn’t fun to fire. I still remember our firearms instructor telling us how 00 Buck had 8 pellets and each was almost as large as a bullet. Those who get nervous at the sound of a round being pumped into the chamber are right to do so…

]]> By: Bruce http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3209 Bruce Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:43:20 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3209 "Make no mistake about it,there is no firearm money can (legally) buy that is more powerful and more of a fight stopper at short range than a 12 gauge shotgun." When I was stationed in Calgary, for a couple of years we staged regular raids on the clubhouses of outlaw bikers...they were causing us real problems.  My weapon of choice was a fold-down-stock 12 guage, loaded with "00" buckshot....when those jerks heard that tell-tale "snick-snick" of a round being chambered, they tended to immediately stop whatever it was they were doing...really immediately.  Not very many sounds that draw more attention... “Make no mistake about it,there is no firearm money can (legally) buy that is more powerful and more of a fight stopper at short range than a 12 gauge shotgun.”

When I was stationed in Calgary, for a couple of years we staged regular raids on the clubhouses of outlaw bikers…they were causing us real problems.  My weapon of choice was a fold-down-stock 12 guage, loaded with “00″ buckshot….when those jerks heard that tell-tale “snick-snick” of a round being chambered, they tended to immediately stop whatever it was they were doing…really immediately.  Not very many sounds that draw more attention…

]]> By: mike http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3208 mike Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:32:10 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3208 Live by the sword, die by the sword. mid island mike Live by the sword, die by the sword.

mid island mike

]]> By: Mr.g http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3207 Mr.g Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:18:26 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3207 Make no mistake about it,there is no firearm money can (legally) buy that is more powerful and more of a fight stopper at short range than a 12 gauge shotgun. Make no mistake about it,there is no firearm money can (legally) buy that is more powerful and more of a fight stopper at short range than a 12 gauge shotgun.

]]> By: Pat http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/2009/08/14/harlem-store-owner-shoots-4-robbers-killing-2/#comment-3206 Pat Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:38:53 +0000 http://www.jacksnewswatch.com/?p=3820#comment-3206 A tough time for the friends and family of the dead. It's the nature of deadly threats and actions, they're deadly. That having been said, I'll just bet the robberies drop off for a while in that 'hood. A tough time for the friends and family of the dead. It’s the nature of deadly threats and actions, they’re deadly. That having been said, I’ll just bet the robberies drop off for a while in that ‘hood.

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