All throughout the recent Tea Party Express national tour we kept receiving emails and phone calls from people around the nation who lived far away from the route our buses took across America. We vowed at the time to keep the Tea Party Express effort alive – and that’s exactly what we are doing.
It is our pleasure to announce the “Tea Party Express: Countdown to Judgment Day” which will cross the nation from coast-to-coast, border-to-border October 25th – November 11th — 1 year ahead of the November 2010 congressional elections… or as our Czarina of the tea party movement, Amy Kremer, likes to refer to as “Judgment Day.” The Tea Party Express will kick-off the tour with a rally in San Diego, California on October 25th and wind up the tour with a rally in Orlando, Florida on November 11th (Veteran’s Day).
This won’t just be a continuation of the tour we just completed. We will be having a lot of special surprises and additions as we grow this effort — and continue the fight against government-run healthcare, Cap & Trade, bailouts, out-of-control deficit spending and the growth in the size and intrusiveness of government.
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The London Free Press won’t carry it for sure but a “Canadian Tea Party” WILL TAKE PLACE IN LONDON ONTARIO ON OCTOBER 3rd at Reg Cooper Square.
Organized by the Forest City Institute, Kathy Shaidle ( Five Feet of Fury , blog) will be one of the speakers.
MSM have been made aware, however as usual they are slow on the uptake of such an occurence here in Canada.
What better place to have a Tea Party than in overtaxed London Ontario, and now with whistleblower revelations on the London Hospital scene currently adding to a boar’s nest of bloated bungling bureaucracies in London .
Let’s hear it for the first American style AND Canada’s first TEA PARTY in London Ontario.
Join us!!
Good one, Joe. First I’ve heard of it.
London! You mean London Ontario? What has London got to do with opposition to US health care? The little five feet of fury isn’t too original now is she. Perhaps she immigrated from the US and not up to speed on Canadian history
Thank you, Joe Molnar re the planned protest. It will no doubt raise objection to the planned HST tax for next year. This tax will be a serious one and since the economy is working at a snail’s pace it will work a hardship on regular citizens. Even undo the tax relief our gov’t has instituted. I will attend this protest and look forward to the guest speaker whom we’ve read about. Thanks for the heads up. Often we hear of these events after the fact. I hope to bring others with me.
There is no such thing as a good tax. But we are going to be taxed.
The issue is: what level of taxation is appropriate?
The HST is a tax that makes sense .. .why would we want…
dis-Harmonization?
The Province needs more money for infrastructure and growth, as do its cities. How are we supposed to get that money? Harper has decentralized money out of Ottawa by cutting the GST 2%. He will give McGuinty $4.3 billion to Harmonize.
The reaction of Conservatives to HST is glib. It needs debate and Hudak is just being populist and “not a leader” (where have we heard that before?).
McGuinty is cutting corporate taxes and this HST will save Ontario billions and improve productivity. He deserves credit for doing the right thing. I’m a Conservative but unless we stop behaving like opportunistic Liberals we will end up being no different .. which is pretty much what the public is saying about politicians anyway.
nomdeblog — you’re plugging for the HST?? Where goods and services will rise by five percent OR MORE next year on items we’ve never previously been taxed before. Let the corporates/banking kick in on this, not the people. Retailers are already protesting vocally. Hudak is right in taking this on as a high placed platform item. You’re darn right it’s populist. It’s not Conservative to applaud over-the-top taxation and you’re applauding? Yes, the HST will rake in billions from jane and joe public. I’m thinking of young families already taking cuts in their hours and paycheques. Some selfish seniors make my guts rot. We’ve had the good days though in Canada we were already taxed at approaching 50 percent throughout decades. Let’s change that. It can’t be “give with one hand and remove with the other.” You’re wrong and going in the wrong direction. Politics is about the people’s agenda, not the leaders’ agenda. I do believe some of the politicians get that right. Until they do there’s indeed no reason to vote. So, I hope you change your mind on this issue.
It’s like the manufacutures tax that got eleminted with GST. HST eleminates inputs. You have to look at the net tax grab.
Separate the issue , de-couple it .. one issue is tax grab .. that is a math issue.
The other is Harmonization ..which makes sense.
As I understand it ( and admittedly this is bit complicated and I wish someone would articualte it better)…
The tax grab would be 1.5% gross. Then the productivity gains reduce that grab to .4 % . Therefore a half % cut in the overall new harmonized sales tax would put consumers ahead and the overall economy would benefit by the 1.1% in product gain plus the $4.3 billion we’d get from Harper.
But you are right Anna this requires some thinking and Conservatives along with all politicians gave up on thinking about the same time the MSM gave up on giving us the facts.
Lets go back to sleep.
Ohhh .. Sue-Ann Levy just ran her campaign on HST in the by-election …she lost 2 to 1 to the Liberals.
Google, list goods services Ontario HST, see G&M article, Sept. 22nd, READ COMMENTS, correcting tax hikes around 12,13 percent. We ob ject to billions for the provincial coffers that McGuinty and colleagues mismanaged year after year. There’s also comparisons between BC implementation and that proposed for Ontario. TEA protests in Canada beginning already can only be a good thing. Of course, have no doubt, we can stand on our heads and it may go through. But, I believe to all politicians’ detriment. It’s a tax grab on jane and joe public who can’t afford it given the weak economy. Google and read my friend.
Anna, you need to read your own Googles.
Hudak is getting bad advice on this. The HST makes sense. The issue is the level of taxation, which can be fixed with a small cut in overall sales tax and/or tax credits. The 12 to 13 % you refer to are only on items not taxed before …in isolation it sounds dreadful, in fact it is not .. as your Globe article said, the effective gross rate increase is 1.5% .. .that can be fixed. Because the article also says it will save business almost $7 billion , that is a massive productivity gain which our companies badly need to compete globally.
When governments tax a product sold by a company that tax gets passed onto the consumer in the price …the reverse is true too. The HST will eliminate a lot of tax inputs going into a product currently . This is about the removal of layers and layers of embedded taxes; that is what is missing in this argument.
The PCs are falling into another Liberal trap. They will go marching down the populist road because it’s easy. Then come next Spring McGuinty will explain this to the voters and drop the rate by .5%.
This subject needs debate. But it is change and some Conservatives being conservatives have lost the ability to adapt to change. Hudak will have put all his energy into a cause that will get jerked out from underneath him. Oh well, maybe he can hang in until 2015 …he’ll still be young.
Nonsense. This next election will be only about economic matters. Clever reference to the 1.5 percent tax hike. Consult with entrepreneurs who know their business. Making it sound like nickel and diming to secure the billions is quite amusing. This is the cap n trade in another guise. Hudak can run with this to victory if he so chooses, unless his choice is otherwise. I don’t care for your ‘slick willie’ approach to the proposed tax.
Short article, NOM. Google “HST threatens affordable home ownership.” Can’t raise the link, go get it. I think we all can get the financial facts there straight, even you. Let the Tories and Libs get the figures straight. We’ll observe how Hudak handles this. Hopefully not like McGuinty passing taxpayers’ bucks regularly around at the taxpayers’ disadvantage. Hopefully, we’re in this to win legitimately on the economics. Wonder why some Canadians are organizing a local protest??
“slick willie” ???
Anna then you better add these guys to your slick willies .. they support it:
The Ontario Chamber of Commerce, the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, the Canadian Manufacturers & Exporters Ontario, the Certified General Accountants of Ontario, the Ontario Road Builders’ Association, the Ontario Trucking Association, the Retail Council of Canada, TD Bank, and the Toronto Board of Trade.
I guess they are just speaking “nonsense” too.
But Anna, I do agree with you that the election will be about economics and that’s exactly what this is, it involves billions and billions in Ontario’s economy.
Maybe the PCs should forget about economics and run the campaign on the Spring Bear hunt, that seemed to be high on their agenda during the leadership contest.
FYI — I just alerted Bourque to the tea party mentioned by Joe. We’ll see how that goes.
I know profit/loss statements and results, noooooom. Yes, you’re seeing the billions EXTRACTED from hard working Ontarions’ diminishing and non-existent paycheques. ARE YOU reading the available links. I don’t think so.
Sorry, meant “slick nomdeblog.” No willie in there. Hmmm, roughly eight percent tax hikes on condo ownerships, one example, is a political haymaking winner, right? We need to list the affected goods/services with approx. tax hikes/rates.
Of course, those reputable outfits you list have already calculated the profit margins. We both know that.
Now, I’d say you’re not looking at billions but trillions out of cut paycheques as these value added taxes are vote getters, yes indeedy. Ergo, “slick promoter.” Apparently on Facebook you have approaching 130,000 citizens protesting the HST already. Heck, they’re only paying citizens!
Nice ball park you’re in, NOM.
“Of course, those reputable outfits you list have already calculated the profit margins”
Spoken like a real Dipper. The Dippers the PCs have been in a process of merging for some time now and allowed McGuinty to take over the solid center and become the pro business Premier, at a time when it is indeed about jobs jobs jobs.
The only condos impacted will be the higher end ones, over $400,000. But as I kept saying … that too can be fixed and if Hudak were anything but an inexperienced populist he’d deal with it … it’s about math and the level of tax not the kind of tax. HST is the right kind of tax.
Ohhh …did I mention that McGuinty has also courageously joined PMSH and the combined Corporate Federal and Provincial taxe goals to drop to only 25% compared with Obama’s socialist USA at 40% … bring on the investors. McGuinty has grown in the job and these steps have to be called courageous. Because with even so-called conservatives against sane tax reform I can only imagine the fights going on within McGuinty’s caucus. The guy has guts on this particular issue.
Anna, one last thing, you seem to have been a Harper supporter in the past, since he is giving McGuinty $4.3 to alleviate the adjustment to the HST, will you be calling PMSH “slick willie” too?
HAHAHHA. Now I wouldn’t be objecting to that $4.3 amount McGuinty’s getting from feds. Downright frugal amount. Your typo’s funny in this instance, since you’re onto the billions about to be generated and when I refer to profit margins that’s the goal I agree, but the fact is this is going to be overkill and definitely not in employees/citizens interests.
Take the proposed eight percent tax hike on condos. When you consider that up to sixty five percent of condos are in the upwards of $400,000 price range, yup that is a problem for rectification soonest. Nice name, “harmonized” sales tax.
That’s not “sane” tax reform, that’s crushing taxation that’ll shut down business, if anything. The Celtic Tiger with 10 percent corporate tax rate fizzled due to the fact that the cost of living in Ireland rose exponentially and even with that tax rate, businesses have been exiting due to the exhorbitant cost of living.
No, Harper FINALLY getting McGuinty on board at 25 percent (took long enough) when it should have been implemented in the former strong economy, is hardly courageous of McGuinty. The mismanagement of the taxpurse is well documented and the vote getting was achieved.
I still support PM Harper simply because I believe he’s not a thief and can account for the Canadian ledgers (books). The above entities you cite want to look at restructuring salaries in an upwards directions, especially manufacturers whose salary expenditures are cancelled out against met and exceed production quotas.
I’m never annoyed by stark facts, nom and neither should you be.
This debate should meet an early conclusion since there’s not exactly oppressive mathematics involved here — just “harmonized, blended” percentages. Eight to thirteen percent tax hikes on all kinds of necessities of life is JUST SO EXCITING and will pulverize profits Liberal style. Are you doing Liberal trolling. Sounds like it.
Anna says.. Take the proposed eight percent tax hike on condos. When you consider that up to sixty five percent of condos are in the upwards of $400,000 price range, yup that is a problem for rectification soonest. Nice name, “harmonized” sales tax.
Anna … one more time with feeling … that is not a harmonization issue, that’s a level of tax issue. In other words , if you and your “progressive” friend Hudak don’t like $400,000 and think that is hitting poor people, then propose another level, make it $800,000, pick a number. But you don’t need to kill harmonization which the former conservative base … ie business, supports. However I don’t expect any listening to happen with the PCs because every since John Tory took over all they do is talk.
Finally, why don’t you ask Hudak if he’ll reverse the HST if he becomes Premier? You won’t get an answer because he is going to do a Chrétien .. who damned the GST and thus won a majority in 1993, then got upset when Harper cut the GST by 2 points. I’m fed up with the hypocrisy of politicians and the treatment of the voters as if they are idiots.
Raising taxes between eight and thirteen percent in a still staggering/weak economy IS AT UNACCEPTABLE LEVELS. Targeting the take at the $800,000 level is just as unacceptable and penalizes the successful as well. I do think you’re right planned protests won’t stop the HST steamroller. And you’re also right, if Hudak does a Chretien his career is over before it begins. He should know that. But your adulation of McGuinty’s reversal is over the top. The horse has left the barn and this HST is a sweep of every available nickel and dime out there come 2010. What’s clear is that business is looking at the last downsizing and the last tax sweep from every conceivable quarter out there. I might point out as well the instituted tax will only grow an underground economy because citizens will have no choice but to go that way. The taxpayers are in for getting “stiffed to the last degree” and authentic politicians should reverse this policy soonest. Perhaps they will in time. The VAT in Britain’s been in place for about fifteen years and look at the end result of that on the faltering British economy? That’s the model to avoid.
Yes, we’ll ask Hudak right here because I believe every statement is screened and according to reports he’s placed the HST issue as a priority on his platform. But you say he’s going to ‘go along to get along.’ That’s not what his base expects.
Final point this is a loser program. The Feds and provincial counterparts are stiffing the voters and citizens instead of dealing with the shadow sectors themselves to pony up with hirings at raised salary levels (depressed at thirty year levels). While they don’t make concessions themselves as what happened in the Great Depression. McGuinty’s cabinet awarded themselves approx. 26 percent salary raises, CEOs are on the take as are the bankers when they should be creating jobs and paycheques — that’s the stimulus that’s required OBVIOUSLY TO CREATE DEMAND FOR GOODS AND SERVICES. That’s what the G-20 must focus on for a legitimate program. They do know it’s all due to management failures, waste, unbridled greed and they do have the means to fix it. While Britain and most of the world is mired in a sinkhole, I think we should look at the Japanese model, reportedly emerging from recession status due to the fact that many top brass in that country absorbed the punches like their employees and made ethical decisions knowing it would grow profits the correct way. Look there G-20 for any success stories.
But, Nom you have a point about it being what level of taxation will be implemented. Now, we look at the specific commodities that will be taxed and list them. The proposed rebates will not cover the expenses working households will be faced with come 2010, many operating on cut and non-existent paycheques.
Anna, we are both conservatives and we need some internal dissent about this, the biggest tax shift seen in years. It deserves real debate and since our incompetent politicians and MSM won’t do it, then we will.
“The VAT in Britain’s been in place for about fifteen years and look at the end result of that on the faltering British economy? That’s the model to avoid.”
Again it isn’t the VAT that’s the problem, it isn’t the method of taxation, it is the level of taxation. Ditto Ireland dropping corporate taxes did not cause the implosion.
The HST is going to get done because it makes sense as any accountant or economist will tell you. What Hudak needs to offer, before he ends up looking like an inexperienced buffoon, is amendments to assist the small business guys who are just selling coffee plus all the other people that Anna is worried about.
But as a conservative I see Hudak being surrounded by the same kind of weasels as John Tory was , all yes men and as inexperienced as the Obama gang. That worries me because on this issue (NOT eHealth etc) McGuinty is looking more statesman like than Hudak.
One last thing … Ontario/Toronto is in a very very serious fiscal mess. Even Liberal Cabinet ministers are scared. The (quasi) resignation of Miller who was hiding $200 million is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more deficit numbers coming down. McGuinty will have to take Harper’s $4.3 billion, the HST is a done deal but Hudak can modify it if he stops his hypocrisy about it.