Harry Reid wants to see more of Mitt Romney’s past income-tax filings. Debbie Wasserman Schultz wants to see 23 years of his taxes. This, from the die-hard supporters of a candidate who will not release his college transcripts or so much more.
I want to know how Barack Obama got into Columbia University for undergraduate school. I want to see his application. Did he seek extra consideration, as did Elizabeth Warren in applying for her academic opportunities, by claiming to be a member of a demographic group favored by affirmative action? I imagine that he did not falsely claim special treatment on a theory of being foreign-born, but I would like to know for sure. It is immaterial where he was born — I want to know whether he claimed on his applications, as his book publisher later would write about him, that he had overcome the disadvantages of being foreign-born. What did he write to the dean of admissions of Columbia University about his childhood, his education, his background? Every college-transfer application to Columbia requires that the student write a narrative, tell his story, explain why he deserves a crack at the Ivy League after a brief sojourn at a lesser institution.
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Afternoon Updates:
12:56 pm EDT, August 8th, 2012 — Nevada: Harry Reid to Retire … in 2016?
That’s absolutely freaking awesome !! Now the conspiracy nutjobs on both sides of this election have a foreign born candidate to call illegitimate.
Birthers to the left of me ……. birthers to the right …….
So SL I assume you SEALED your academic records before job hunting. I don`t always release mine but I have never SEALED them. I suspect were you and I running for POTUS we would not get very far with SEALED academic records. I do not know why Obama is any different.
Joe, seriously man, I could care less which foreign candidate in what foreign election, did or did not seal, release, make public, or produce through some bodily orifice, what personal records before, during, or after, their election or defeat — but birthers and their conspiracy theories amuse me to no end.
Are you a birther?
Birthers to the left of me … birthers to the right … har har har
All else aside, Obama has never been vetted. Period. Few know what or who he was before he ran for POTUS or even after completion of his first term. Supporting a person for the most important job in the country, who couldn’t get a job at 7-11 with such an obviously deliberately concealed past, cannot help but leave the impression that approximateoy 50% of American voters fall under the category of useful idiots. Astonishing situation really.
The only people who maintain that Obama was never vetted are disgruntled Republicans who lost the Whitehouse and hyper-partisan Conservatives this side of the border with a strange fascination with American politics – the world saw exactly the same claim made by disgruntled Democrats who lost the Whitehouse and (for lack of a better term) hyper-partisan Progressives this side of the border with a strange fascination with American politics after Double-Yeah won his terms.
You’re kidding, right?
Thanks to a commentor on another blog……….a message to American voters for this November.
“You voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you weren’t a racist.
Vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you aren’t an idiot.”
SL if you as a citizen refuse to vet those who would rule over you then you are not a birther you are an IDIOT!!!! If your would be ruler does not meet the qualifications of being your ruler then you are an IDIOT if you vote for him. How then can you you be certain that your would be ruler meets the qualifications except you check his past records. Oh look at that Candidate O will not show us his qualifications when asked. Where I come from that means you are not qualified. Sorry sunshine but no records no name on ballot.
Idiots to the LEFT of me! Idiots to the LEFT of me! IDIOTS to the LEFT of me!!!!!!
Oh let the vetting begin Joe, let the vetting begin – I can only hope that hyper-partisan Dems (and their equally hyper-partisan supporters on this side of the border who use foreign politics to fight their hyper-partisan proxy wars) are as
fanaticaldiligent in their birther endevours as hyper-partisan Reps (and their equally hyper-partisan supporters on this side of the border who use foreign politics to fight their hyper-partisan proxy wars) were in their vetting process.Gosh, I sure hope they get a sherriff of their own, and some rich guy ………
It may present a bit of a problem though…. do we need to be able to differentiate between the two birther camps? Maybe “birther[r]” and “birther[l]” for right & left? Is it important? Or can we just call the lot of them birthers without reference to individual hyper-partisan-political-affiliation?
SL you really need to give up the boozing. You are posting gibberish again.
Not sure what this has to do with conspiracies. I read it as another example of the shameless hypocrisy of the left. They demand complete disclosure of everyone but themselves. That, in itself, should raise all kinds of warning signs about the type of people you are electing into office.
If he was indeed an accepted to college as a foreign student he should not have been able to run for the office in the first place. Thus he should be tossed as the candidate immediately and those that assisted in any way from the beginning (starting at the top – Reid, Pelosi, et al) should be held to account. They cannot continue to perpetuate this sham.
It is in the Constitution! No Exceptions!
Which one are you talking about CRB…. Romney or Obama?
Not proven YET but to whet SL’s appetite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3lggz9FCE0&feature=player_embedded
The last minute is a bit interesting if further evidence is provided.
I watched it Joe, it’s another conspiracy theory. Until there is verifiable proof I’ll put it on the shelf beside George Bush planned September 11, H.A.A.R.P. and con trails are responsible for global weather changes, and the draconians are among us.
I agree conspiracy theories are generally pretty goofy and on shaky ground as far as verifiable facts are concerned, but at the same time if real proof comes to light about any of these conspiracy theories it would be a true game changer.
It’s stupid and looney, that is, until and if proven correct.
The difference between the two is plausibility. GWB blowing up the towers is completely implausible. Obama being an Indonesian citizen is entirely plausible. He was raised in Indonesia and was adopted by an Indonesian citizen. ACCORDING TO HIS OWN BIOGRAPHY!
“….on the shelf beside George Bush planned September 11, H.A.A.R.P. and con trails are responsible for global weather changes, and the draconians are among us.”
No mixing and matching in the library there, sl. If correctly filed the ones you mentioned would be found on the ‘Fiction’ shelf. Obama and his ascension into the White House would be on the ‘True Crime’ shelf.
Apparently in Indonesia you cannot attend public school unless you are an Indonesian citizen. As a child Obama attended public school in Indonesia. Obama denies he is/was an Indonesian citizen. So how is questioning his citizenship twisted from a common sense question into a conspiracy theory?
So you have never expressed the least bit of partisan commentary in support of President Ladies Tee here at JNW in the last 4 years Stage? You must have an extremely short memory.
I’m sure you think I have Ward – serve up yer link and lets have a gander at what you believe is proof of my partisan support of (I assume) a foreign political leader.
stageleft, I think you confuse people at times because you are very good at being a ” Devil’s advocate ” and contrarian and skeptic and some may confuse this with support or opposition in a partisan way.
If people on the Right think you are a Lefty, and people on the Left think you are a Righty you are probably bringing up embarrassing arguments to contradict the Partisan assumptions of each side and forcing them to think and defend their points of view.
Only the “if yer not with us then by gum ye must be agin us” crowd — unfortunately it’s an all to common mindset at both ends of the political spectrum these days.
On the up side, all that crowd has really accomplished (with their political betters in legislatures across the land) is a general decline in percentages of people participating in elections, coupled with a decline in trust in the political process and of politicians in general.
Back when I had my own blog I likened what we laughingly call political debate these days to trench warfare — where each side pops a head up long enough to lob an insult at their political opposites, then ducks down to be cheered by their mates and check the latest talking point sheet before doing it all over again.
I like my debates to be ” An Insult Free Zone “, and are best when people reply to what was actually written and not what they read between the lines that may reflect more their own assumptions rather than what was actually meant.
People who don’t know how to actively listen and debate honestly on Blogs probably also have communications ” ISSUES ” in their daily lives.
No need to dig up the past Stage as you will provide plenty of good examples henceforth.
And here was me looking at that “You must have an extremely short memory” and thinking you had something
Of course it is Joe, somehow the Obama conspiracy machine managed to thwart all of the checks and balances America has to make sure that presidential candidates are entitled to be presidential candidates.
SL are you drinking this early in the morning? The fact is according to the US constitution the president can not be a citizen of another nation. Call it silly call it archaic call it what ever you want but it IS THE LAW upon which all the other laws are based. If the present president is or was a foreign citizen then he CAN NOT be president! That is not conspiracy that is fact. There has been a believable allegation that Obama was at one point an Indonesian citizen. Let’s check it out. And no it is not the same as Rosy say fire doesn’t melt steel therefore GWB blew up the towers.
I agree that it isn’t crazy to ask the question if first the conditions for being President are accurately stated above in your comment, if Indonesian citizenship is credible and if finally proof that Obama effectively has dual American/Indonesian citizenship or worse not a “naturally born ” American as defined by the Constitution for eligibility to be President.
I don’t think that anyone disputes that the President is an American citizen, what is in doubt is if he meets the other criteria above.
Now, it’s loony conspiracy theory to believe this to be fact without proof, but there seems to be enough to at least legitimately asks the question.
And you don’t think they have any checks or balances in place to make sure a candidate is not Joe? You really don’t think there is a (quite rigorous in these supposed perilous times I would imagine) process to ensure that a presidential candidate is not really the manchurian candidate? You don’t believe that (at the very least) the Republicans didn’t make sure every i was dotted and every t was crossed in this respect?
– but you do believe that there was a massive (possibly international) conspiracy and cover-up that by its nature would have to have included the American bureaucracy, the American Electoral College, the Dept of Justice, and Homeland Security, that allowed the first foreign president to be elected?
…. and I’m the one that’s been drinking?
Maybe you’re buying into the “big lie” theory? Is that what you believe Joe? If I recall correctly your political opposites tried that one with Double-Yeah’s involvement in the events of September 11th, 2001.
“Maybe you’re buying into the “big lie” theory?”
A simple question back at ya, sl. Why do ‘you’ think that Obama spent a reported $1M+ to conceal his past?
Maybe, if that’s what happened, he did it for the same reason that Romney won’t release multiple years worth of tax returns – he (says he) values his privacy.
Is it my turn for a question now?
Are you buying into the [begin paste] massive (possibly international) conspiracy and cover-up that by its nature would have to have included the American bureaucracy, the American Electoral College, the Dept of Justice, and Homeland Security, that allowed the first foreign president to be elected? [/end paste] beentheredonethat?
I support BTDT. It is clear that once a political charlatan gets to call the shots anything can happen and in this case he did and it has.
I have lined up “stuff” for tomorrow which points it out. For now I will only say (and I’ve said this from the beginning) that Obama is in power thanks to a very weird US media who refuses to point out that the “building janitor” has taken over as CEO of the largest corporation America is aware of.
Their government.
I suppose it had to happen at some point considering the lies that have been pandered by “he who walks on water” over the years but don’t you dare try to sell me on the idea that he is being “picked on”.
He is not. He is the biggest, “lieingest” asshole I have ever seen appear in American politics and the media who support him are “assholes” also for the very same reason. Not one of them can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time and yet they dare to call themselves “journalists” as they continue to fib daily to the very people they count on to support their news organizations. Small wonder people are no longer watching or buying their very stupid “papers” as they dig their hole deeper.
Here’s a thought. Instead of the NY Times continuing to support this “nattering nabob of negativity” it might be better if they came down on him like the hammers of hell.
I don’t expect that to happen but they might actually save themselves. There’s still time.
I will also add that you have frequently questioned why anyone in Canada would care about a US election. I’ll tell you why.
Everytime the US “elephant” gets the “sniffles” Canada ends up with pneumonia. And that’s just the way things are. Get used to it.
Of course we should care.
Update:
It’s been a long day as I went to London to have a small part on my new car replaced (warranty). Nothing to do with anything important but I had a short chat with the lady who sold me that car and apparently GM products in Canada are going like hotcakes. Likely due to the “0″ percent financing available now for those who are interested.
If you need a new car I recommend “buy”. This offer won’t last long and any GM dealer “same, same”.
Have I mentioned lately that my new “Terrain” is much cheaper than a Volvo XC 90 and is much better equipped? Probably not but it is. About “half the price”. I really like it.
Goodnight.
Well SL I suppose one reason for not releasing tax records is because tax records are SUPPOSED to be confidential between you and your government. Unlike your academic records which producing can be a requirement of employment. You should know that your doctor has a medical degree. It really doesn’t matter that he paid tax on $500,000.00
How many presidential candidates have refused to release multiple years worth of tax records Joe?
If they were smart ALL of them!
Income tax by LAW is a matter between you and your government. If the government has problems collecting taxes owed then it becomes a public matter.
Actually it’s a combination. Conspiracy and massive deleliction of duty. The list is long but for the shake of brevity the conspiracy begins with the sealing of personal records from scrutiny. Privacy? Somebody running for POTUS is entitled to keep his past a secret? Gimme a break. Next the introduction of both willing and unwilling co-conspirators such as the appointment of a good and loyal friend as AG to make allegations of illegality ‘go away’. Next, to avoid legally mandated vetting designed to protect America by conducting an end run around Congress and appointing multi-dozens of fiercely loyal and obedient czars to do one’s bidding. The careful selection of even more co-conspirators. People without the moral courage to speak out for fear of reprisals. People with the attitude “I don’t care what is happening around me, as long as it does not affect me”. People who just don’t want to become involved. These people assist in the covering up of scandals and illegal and unethical behaviour.
Those who continue to defend the indefensible simply refuse to believe that such things have let alone could have happened. These same deniers IMO could stand in front of a house fully ingulfed in flames and ask fire, what fire?
All rightly then …………….
stageleft I can respect the argument that any conspiracy theory has to be approached with skepticism and only invested in if supported by proof, but I also disagree with dismissing the possibility using ridicule to discredit the legitimacy of even asking asking the question(s).
So believing without proof is silly, but refusing to look serious if there is proof is equally ” unwise ” and irrational.
As to the other conspiracy theory like the 911 one(s) and Rosie O’Donnell’s ideas that steel doesn’t melt, these can and have been refuted by credible science: Now, even if I believe that this specific conspiracy theory doesn’t make sense one refutes it by using competent experts and one does look at evidence for the theory to be credible or not: One, doesn’t just laugh it off and refuse to look into it.
It was a typo get over it.
Before Obama’s name was allowed on the ballot a whole lot of people and agencies made sure that it was legally entitled to be there – the checks and balances for that position, especially in the age of paranoia America has lived in since September 11, 2001, must be absolutely mind blowing.
In Joes case …. yeah, I was mocking him – he deserves it, in your case the following is a simple straight up statement of the way I see it – no mocking, and no ridicule involved.
To believe that Obama was not legally qualified to have his name on the ballot would mean believing that all of the government people and all of the government agencies tasked with the legal vetting process were either involved in a conspiracy, or were all, in their totality, grossly incompetent.
And even were either of those scenerios possible it would mean believing that the GoP, and all of the considerable resources at their disposal, were either involved in the conspiracy, or were also grossly incompetent in their vetting process by not discovering that Obama was not legally entitled to have his name on the ballot.
One would also have to believe that the Democrats were either incompetent in their internal vetting process, or involved in one of the most politically damaging conspiracies they could possibly involve themselves in.
I cannot believe either in grand conspiracies involving so many different people, agencies, and political parties, without common cause — or that that sort of massive simultaneous failue of multiple processes is remotely possible.
“Before Obama’s name was allowed on the ballot a whole lot of people and agencies made sure that it was legally entitled to be there – the checks and balances for that position, especially in the age of paranoia America has lived in since September 11, 2001, must be absolutely mind blowing.”
PROVE IT!!!!!!
Right now yours is the only conspiracy theory on the table.